DLX wrote:
rgmccaig wrote:
Hey, I demand you guys 'shut down' this thread right now!
The moderators should shut it down because I personally don't agree with what you're saying!
Haha, jk. That's my impression of certain posts on this thread.
Indeed. I also get the impression of "Throw your elektron products in the bin, they are broken" and "Get on elektron's back because elektron products don't work properly" from other posts.
I listen to stuff like this:
http://www.punkdisco.co.uk/Videos.htm
or these
http://www.materialobject.com/
...and I wonder what all the bickering is about. If people can write and create such great music with these products, then there really is no reason nor justification for having such a lengthy and unconstructive thread about "issues". The proof is in the pudding as they say... and it shows that there is no issue stopping anyone here from creating superb music with these products. I agree that this thread should be closed, simply because it hasn't been constructive for many many many pages. Its just a fast track to being side-tracked from making music.
Who knows what the motivation behind this thread was... but its been mentioned by certian people that elektron's claims for tight timing are wrong. By all means sticky a post at the top of the forum that says elektron products have a 2 odd ms variation... but put in a link to pieces of music like those linked above as well. Let people decide for themselves, instead of trying to persuade the world.Hi DLX - I think rgmccraig was being tongue-in-cheek, maybe not but it's OK anyway.
There is really no bickering anymore; I think there was/is genuine constructive debate in this thread that is visible without looking all that hard. I have never said good music could not be made with Elektron gear ever - now or in any of the previous OS incarnations - remembering that the current Monomachine and Machine Drum; features added and bugs fixed right to this point were mostly materialised by user comment and constructive pressure from the beginning and yet the machines we have now are in many ways vastly different to the OS Version 1.00 units delivered initially.
You must agree with me when I say that these evolutionary OS changes have all been beneficial in both products and no one ever considered either unit to be incapable of making music in previous OS revisions and certainly never worthy of throwing in the bin despite whatever minor short comings they may have had.
With this in mind - the 'Proof-in-the-Pudding' comment is rather a weak point because my 'tighter timing' issue is just as valid as any other feature or bug fix requested and implemented by Elektron so far. People have always made great 'Puddings' with Elektrons from the very beginning but things can always be improved and features can always be added.
As far as 'side-tracking' the creative process goes - is it really different to any other bug/feature issue previously discussed?
As an example of what I mean - I don't really use the Arpeggio feature at all when using the Monomachine so my interest in fixing bugs found by others is of no consequence to me in my work. I don't visit threads or discussions relating to this feature and I keep making music the way I choose to.
I would expect those individuals who do use the Aprpeggio feature to keep the pressure up and work out solutions as they see fit because it is important to them. This would mean debate, argument and I am sure some heated dialogue to iron out what was really important and what direction to take.
The timing issue is not important to everybody I accept that however it is very important in my work hence my continual interest in having it resolved or at the very least acknowledged and explained if it can't be rectified.
I don't expect others to share my interest or have it disturb their creative work flow. That was never my intention.
I listened to Punk Disco and I like it very much and the Material stuff is very good also (Andre BTW is a long time associate of mine so I well appreciate and respect his technical chops and musical direction even before I listened to his work).
Pointing people to links of music created on Elektron gear and saying 'make up your own mind' doesn't really make any sense. None of the positive features added or bugs fixed to date (and lets be honest here - some of the bugs needed sorting) would ever have come to light if you constantly take this line of argument.
There is more than enough international positive publicity about how very good Elektron product is at making music - that is not in any doubt and never has been.
If someone posts an issue with Midi Machines or Arpeggio behavior - why are these considered appropriate for rational consideration by the Forum and by Elektron and yet a proven random timing fluctuation that many have also observed and heard is shot down and in some cases ridiculed as being obsessive and counter-creative?
My 'obsessive' and 'continual' posts/replies on the subject were not without rational explanation - unlike other forum topics that seemed to accept feature 'wish-lists' and bug discoveries openly - the timing thread and the findings acknowledged by myself, others and indeed by Elektron themselves generated ridicule and aggression.
I only ever sought to explain my position to the best of my ability and back up my findings when either my methods or my deeper motivation was questioned.
I accept that the MD timing is what it is.
I hope some forum members found the thread of interest anyway.
Regards David.